Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Companyia Elèctrica Dharma

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ironholds (talk) 15:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Companyia Elèctrica Dharma

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Extremely promotional article that got declined for A7; I didn't see the claim as even remotely plausible, and still think it's bollocks, so here it is at AfD. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:56, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rewrite from the neutral point of view. I see significant coverage in Google News and Google Books, and there are articles in the Catalan Wikipedia and the Spanish Wikipedia. The article needs attention from a neutral editor fluent in Catalan. Cullen328 (talk) 02:49, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't doubt there's sourcing, but I couldn't find anything particularly reliable; then again, I don't speak Catalan. If decent sources can be found, I'll withdraw this. However, also beware of Wikipedias in other languages; their existence there doesn't necessarily mean it belongs here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:00, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ - Aside from WP:NPOV, the band does return a fair amount of news, but most are passing mentions of their participation at an event. A couple of news are about the band, but are mostly from regional newspapers. From a search you get mostly music download services and some blogs. I think the source that's already included from the Government of Catalonia is reliable and independent, but in the end it doesn't feel like they have much presence outside of Catalonia, or Spain at most. While inclusion on the other Wikipedias might be reasonable, I don't think that it reaches as far as to this one. - patitomr (talk) 06:41, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, change since there's no opposition to inclusion - patitomr - frankie^MR (talk) 01:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Author (Joel També):

Why I think the article should be kept:

Well, this band, uses to record in Memphis sound studio (USA)

They have toured USA, South Africa and all of Europe many times.

They have a Record Label that edit's all their albums from Brazil. I gess many Brazilians, might speak English but ignore Spanish and Catalan.

About what you call "Extremelly promotional article". Well, yesterday I got advice to explain why they are as important as to be in Wikipedia. That's why I changed and added to headline their most important contributions.

I am not from the band. I am just a lover of its work. And I discovered to my concern that there where no articles in other languages about this important band from my country - that I think is a real contribution to world music and Rock dialogue. They are really unique and interesting. They bring something really new and special.

I also really love the possibility to work on-line and keep posting change after change, so we can see how the article grows up. And have the feelling of building up - I really like this from wikis. I think, perhaps if I would have first written the article and post it all together, perhaps there would have been no problem at all. I am also completing an invesntigation process since I am writting, to put more things clear, precise and adjusted to the date, sources through refferences. Since for example, I know they did more Tours in Europe, as to Germany, France - I have to investigate if UK also. But all will come soon.

If you could just give me a couple more of weeks I would thank you. I also will contact the band members towards some certain questions.

I also would like to add multimedia, photos, perhaps some video. This band has celebrated to the date, 20 years concert, 30 and 35 anniversary gigs, wich where attended by more than 20.000 people each. And got collaborations from all the important artists from my country playing with them on stage.

Perhaps Companyia Elèctrica Dharma hasn't had the international eclossion that it deserves, thus I write this article to help contributing in it since it's sound I think has an important meaning to the Culture of the Planet. It represents the voice of my nation, more than 10.000.000 people spread between Andorra, France, Italy and Spanish areas - such as Balear Islands or the Autonomous Communities of Valencia and Catalonia in the former present political map of Europe.

If need, you can, if you want, check and meet me in such a social net as facebook and I gess you'll see I have nothing to see with the band, nor the record company or any interest towards them that my appreciation for their art. - There I am "Joel Molt Bé" and you can see them as "Companyia Elèctrica Dharma".

Hope this data will be definetly useful. Also with the help of my new improving of the article to come yet soon.

- Thanks for your interest and attention.

- I don't get to the point that I have to be here blaming you for adding an article to this international contributed wikipedia. Don't see the point of this arguments. You make me feel somehow like living it up. This seems a bit nonsense. All this agressivity and the use of words as "bollocks" by Blade.

Nottice it's just contribution to knowledge and world's culture. I quit using wikipedia due to this obsessive prossecutive attitude. But I did never got insulted. Do you really nottice what are you really arguing about? I AM JUST A USER THAT WANTS TO HELP, AT THE END, INCLUDING AN INNOCENT ARTICLE.

Joel Soriano i Botines - my real complete name IT'S TO HELP YOU SEE I WILL NEVER APPEAR IN ANY OF THEIR ARTICLES, just to show you I have nothing to see with the band.

I don't know what's this (down here) reading I don't try to pretend to be another person. I just give you my real name. I introduced myself in the top of this speech as "The Author Joel També" wich is my wikipedia id.

Joel Soriano i Botines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joel També (talk • contribs) 14:56, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean to come across as rude or try to discount your opinion; I sometimes forget that not everyone is used to the terminology here on Wikipedia. Please have a look at what constitutes a reliable source, and see if you can add something like that. If you can add a few reliable sources, this article will probably be kept. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:35, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:57, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment patitomr's argument to delete is actually more effective as an argument to keep. If this band is notable in Catalonia, and also throughout Spain, as patitomr seems to acknowledge, then the band is notable enough for an article on the English Wikipedia. This is the English language Wikipedia of the entire world, not the Wikipedia of just the English language speaking world. Articles about topics best known in non-English speaking areas of the world are entirely appropriate here, as long as they are notable, and it is not necessary that reliable sources be in English. It is just that those sources are preferable if available. However, if the only sources are in Catalan or Spanish, then that is perfectly OK. Notability is the key here, so Joel També's arguments about how much he likes the band, and how important he personally thinks it is, should be given no weight in this debate. Cullen328 (talk) 06:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Yes, for the information I've found, I do think they are notable in the region. I will change to keep if there's agreement that this can be included in the English Wikipedia. The article still needs to be rewritten of course. As for sources, i found this mention in a book, perhaps someone more experienced could take a look to see if it suffices. As for the news, this and this mention the band in particular, the first one being about an homage to the band's trajectory. - patitomr (talk) 00:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. ~~Article could do with some work, and the evidence presented above seems reasonable borderline, but I believe it is just sufficient for inclusion.~~ I did not notice this source. The group definitely appears notable. doomgaze (talk) 17:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can tell that article has something to do with Miles Davis; would you mind just briefly summing up what it says? I can't read it myself, and Google translate mangled it pretty badly. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 13:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The first paragraph is La Companyia Elèctrica Dharma fusions songs of American jazz composer Miles Davis and of Catalan Joaquim Serra --whose birth centenary was celebrated last year--, two of the biggest influences of the group from Sants, in their new work, entitled "El misteri d"en Miles Serra i les músiques mutants" (Picap), thay they will present next saturday at L"Auditori de Barcelona. The rest of the article talks about their motivations while making the album, and the lasts two paragraphs talk about their reincorporation with Picap, with whom they had edited 11 albums in the past, and about their opinion about a musician called Guillamino who aparently performs with a certain ensemble formation different than Dharma's. It's definitely a newspaper piece, almost an interview, and not a press release by any means. - patitomr (talk) 14:23, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and I'd be glad to produce the full translation if you want it - patitomr (talk) 14:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve. Notable by non-English news sources, which are many. Agree with Cullen328 on most points.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 10:31, 19 April 2011 (UTC).[reply]

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